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	<title>Comments on: Show Spotlight: &#8220;Karen&#8221; (1975)</title>
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	<description>Keeping Obscure TV From Fading Away Forever</description>
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		<title>By: Barry I. Grauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry I. Grauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beg pardon, Archie Hahn played Karen&#039;s ex-HUSBAND, not her boyfriend. Sorry if I misled you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beg pardon, Archie Hahn played Karen&#8217;s ex-HUSBAND, not her boyfriend. Sorry if I misled you!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry I. Grauman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry I. Grauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, since most of you will probably never get to read Lee Goldberg&#039;s book, here&#039;s the dope on the first pilot:

In early 1974, as &quot;ROOM 222&quot; was winding up production, 20th Century-Fox asked David Davis &amp; Lorenzo Music, who originally produced &quot;THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW&quot; (later creating and producing &quot;THE BOB NEWHART SHOW&quot;) to come up with a pilot for Karen Valentine to sell to ABC for the fall. They wrote and produced &quot;THE KAREN VALENTINE SHOW&quot;, in which Our Heroine, emerging from a bitter divorce {oh no, not OUR Karen!}, finds employment as a law clerk in a small firm, while trying to restablish herself an a single woman {&quot;let&#039;s see if we can&#039;t mould her into another Mary Tyler Moore&quot;}. But, Karen has problems on the side: she has a somewhat immature boyfriend [Archie Hahn] who can&#039;t understand that she wants nothing more to do with him; an amorous next-door neighbor [Vern Rowe] who&#039;s also a minor-league baseball player; and her parents [Garry Walberg &amp; Dena Dietrich], who still treat her as though she&#039;s their &quot;little girl&quot;. Well, after seeing that, ABC rejected the idea, insisting another pilot be produced for a mid-season replacement. That&#039;s when Fox turned to Gene Reynolds and Larry Gelbart (because they were SO good at producing &quot;M*A*S*H&quot;) and said, &quot;We need another Karen Valentine pilot- DO IT!&quot;. They did, retaining only Dena Dietrich from the original version...and the rest soon became forgotten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, since most of you will probably never get to read Lee Goldberg&#8217;s book, here&#8217;s the dope on the first pilot:</p>
<p>In early 1974, as &#8220;ROOM 222&#8243; was winding up production, 20th Century-Fox asked David Davis &amp; Lorenzo Music, who originally produced &#8220;THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW&#8221; (later creating and producing &#8220;THE BOB NEWHART SHOW&#8221;) to come up with a pilot for Karen Valentine to sell to ABC for the fall. They wrote and produced &#8220;THE KAREN VALENTINE SHOW&#8221;, in which Our Heroine, emerging from a bitter divorce {oh no, not OUR Karen!}, finds employment as a law clerk in a small firm, while trying to restablish herself an a single woman {&#8221;let&#8217;s see if we can&#8217;t mould her into another Mary Tyler Moore&#8221;}. But, Karen has problems on the side: she has a somewhat immature boyfriend [Archie Hahn] who can&#8217;t understand that she wants nothing more to do with him; an amorous next-door neighbor [Vern Rowe] who&#8217;s also a minor-league baseball player; and her parents [Garry Walberg &amp; Dena Dietrich], who still treat her as though she&#8217;s their &#8220;little girl&#8221;. Well, after seeing that, ABC rejected the idea, insisting another pilot be produced for a mid-season replacement. That&#8217;s when Fox turned to Gene Reynolds and Larry Gelbart (because they were SO good at producing &#8220;M*A*S*H&#8221;) and said, &#8220;We need another Karen Valentine pilot- DO IT!&#8221;. They did, retaining only Dena Dietrich from the original version&#8230;and the rest soon became forgotten.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry I. Grauman</title>
		<link>http://www.tvobscurities.com/2009/07/show-spotlight-karen-1975/comment-page-1/#comment-10256</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry I. Grauman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 04:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reynolds and Gelbart really shouldn&#039;t have tackled this series because their time was already well spent fashioning &quot;M*A*S*H&quot; every week (Reynolds made a similar mistake with 20th Century-Fox&#039;s &quot;ROLL OUT!&quot; in the fall of 1973, for CBS). &quot;KAREN&quot; was merely an extension of the deal ABC had with the Fox studio for &quot;ROOM 222&quot;. In fact, there was an earlier version of a Karen Valentine pilot proposal, from the same studio, that was rejected by the network (read Lee Goldberg&#039;s &quot;Unsold Television Pilots: 1955 through 1988&quot; for further details). The problem with the series, in my opinion, was Karen. She just couldn&#039;t &quot;carry&quot; a sitcom, as Mary Tyler Moore did. Valentine was best utilized as a &quot;supporting player&quot;, as she was on &quot;ROOM 222&quot;. And she was too damned cute to play a leading role....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reynolds and Gelbart really shouldn&#8217;t have tackled this series because their time was already well spent fashioning &#8220;M*A*S*H&#8221; every week (Reynolds made a similar mistake with 20th Century-Fox&#8217;s &#8220;ROLL OUT!&#8221; in the fall of 1973, for CBS). &#8220;KAREN&#8221; was merely an extension of the deal ABC had with the Fox studio for &#8220;ROOM 222&#8243;. In fact, there was an earlier version of a Karen Valentine pilot proposal, from the same studio, that was rejected by the network (read Lee Goldberg&#8217;s &#8220;Unsold Television Pilots: 1955 through 1988&#8243; for further details). The problem with the series, in my opinion, was Karen. She just couldn&#8217;t &#8220;carry&#8221; a sitcom, as Mary Tyler Moore did. Valentine was best utilized as a &#8220;supporting player&#8221;, as she was on &#8220;ROOM 222&#8243;. And she was too damned cute to play a leading role&#8230;.</p>
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